The Scheps 73’s EQ is so closely modeled after the 1073 that it emulates its behavior … A compressor reduces the level of an audio signal by a preset value once a predefined ‘thresold’ level is met. And unlike everyday compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no additional coloring to the track. Waves go to great lengths to explain that Vocal Rider is not a compressor and so does not introduce coloration. You cannot beat a great manual vocal … (With careful attention that Waves rider doesn't turn up the quietest parts of a vocal line to much,) it has a … I feel like I spend so much time fine-tuning what it does that I may as well just automate from scratch. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Your suggestion to ride the input gain is solid, I find Vocal Rider to be kind of inaccurate though. When you guys use bass/vocal rider or similar plugins, do you do it before or after compression, or instead of compression? ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} As you can see, I use compression before AND after EQ. A compressor condenses the louds and softs of an audio signal. I don't always prefer a vocal rider, particularly not always the Waves one because it only has 2 speeds and it doesn't always sit perfect. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/._2ppRhKEnnVueVHY_G-Ursy{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:22px 0 0;min-height:200px;overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2KLA5wMaJBHg0K2z1q0ci_{margin:0 -7px -8px}._1zdLtEEpuWI_Pnujn1lMF2{bottom:0;position:absolute;right:52px}._3s18OZ_KPHs2Ei416c7Q1l{margin:0 0 22px;position:relative}.LJjFa8EhquYX8xsTnb9n-{filter:grayscale(40%);position:absolute;top:11px}._2Zjw1QfT_iMHH7rfaGsfBs{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background:linear-gradient(180deg,rgba(0,121,211,.24),rgba(0,121,211,.12));border-radius:50%;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;height:25px;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin:0 auto;width:25px}._2gaJVJ6_j7vwKV945EABN9{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);border-radius:50%;height:15px;width:15px;z-index:1} There are, however, some circumstances where you've just gotta set it to all buttons in and crank it... depends entirely on the performance itself and the style of music. it depends on what you're using vocal rider for.it is kind of backwards what one would expect: if you put vocal rider pre-compression and then level it, you'll be pre-leveling your signal before the compressor does. Scheps 73 . Unless of course you automate it as the last insert in your chain but if this is the case, I would just automate that actual daw fader. This seems problematic to me for a few reasons. I'd probably use a compressor with a quick-ish attack first just to even out the volume of the vocals, then add the vocal rider afterwards, personally. The engineer is essentially applying manual downwards and upwards compression to the audio signal being recorded. But i'd imagine a basic slight clip staging first, then some subtractive eq if necessary, then a few comps i need, then the main eq and THEN the Vocal Rider? if you put vocal rider post-compression and then level it, your compression is now baked in and you're then leveling the output into the mix. I do not have a vocal rider or gain rider so yea can’t wait. As far as effects go - I have found that riding the level of a vocal track with a post-fader effect send actually helps keep that effect level throughout the song. but it's not. While it’s a pain to do this line by line, the Vocal Rider takes the bulk of the workload off your shoulders. I agree with you; in general, i would do fader moves on single instrument tracks before processing. It seems far more practical to automate the vocals before the vocal chain either using the input gain on the first compressor or by using something like Waves Vocal rider early in … Vocal Rider. Using vocal rider after compression doesn’t make a lot of sense to me personally unless I do need some very clean and quick control which is what it is essentially but generally what I’ll be looking to do is automate the overall volume to suit the track. A classic preamp and EQ combo. One of the top vocal compressors out there. Depending on what the vocal needs I will sometimes compress before and after, sometimes just before, sometimes just after. I'm not sure if the volume slider is pre or post effects thats why im asking.. Anyways thanks! And unlike everyday compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no additional coloring to the track. The classic Fairchild 660/670 (available by Waves as PuigChild Compressor) works great here, but don’t limit yourself – many compressors can do the job. I presume you mean automating the gain after the plugins? i understand why you perceive the usual method to be problematic. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} When I use it, it’s typically before my dynamics processing so I can keep the signal in the “sweet spot” of the compressor. Similarly, automating up a quiet vocal part may not even trigger the compressor at all. I'm glad I'm not the only one. After doing that you will end up with a very nice even vocal track that requires very little dynamics processing in your mix. If it works it works. The Vocal Rider is especially popular among those that want the dynamic limiting effect of compression without the artifacts that compressors can sometimes leech into the sound. Do you leave some work for the compressor to level, or just use compression to sculpt the transient and use the rider for level balance? This first stage of compression focuses on corrective work. Waves Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. Cookies help us deliver our Services. A fairly unique plugin, the Waves Vocal Rider is basically the digital equivalent of having someone manually ride (adjust) the volume fader of a vocal track from start-to-finish, but without all of the time-consuming, boring and frustrating bits that go hand in hand with doing the real thing. Waves Renaissance Compressor – Get it at Waves (Usually $79, on limited sale for $24.50) The Waves Renaissance Compressor is a smooth all-rounder. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the audioengineering community. I have some questions regarding the Waves Vocal Rider. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} I use the fader to even out the level. By contrast, the non-compression tool we have for controlling dynamics in the modern DAW is automation. Products, practices, and stories about the profession or hobby of recording, editing, and producing audio. I just wanted to comment on the waves vocal rider plugin. You can set your "threshhold" at which the fader begins to lower, and the "ratio" with which it lowers, and there's even an … After. both before and after. ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} The Vocal Rider Live component includes an exclusive Spill control to differentiate the vocal from background instrumentation and noise, for better tracking and performance. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Minor tweaks can easily and quickly be done manually after you write the automation. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Waves Vocal Rider Overview Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. In terms of gain reduction, I actually set my thresholds such that there is little to no gain reduction during quiet parts of the song. Almost all of the time I ride after as I typically compress on the way in. Products, practices, and stories about the profession or hobby of recording, editing, and producing audio. "Mix" moves where I'm riding entire busses or the Master fader will only happen once all the track processing is sorted out and essentially 'baked' into the audio. I sometimes put one before compression, with a fast response time, then compress, then have another vocal rider at the end of the chain with a slower response to smooth things out. But just because you can add in as many plugins as you want, doesn’t mean you should. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/many (more common now w/ modern DAWs + clip gain, but some older records too) of those records will also have volume rides before the inserts. Usually I'll be automating their volumes separately at any rate. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} The Vocal Rider is especially popular among those that want the dynamic limiting effect of compression without the artifacts that compressors can sometimes leech into the sound. both before and after, depending on the issue at hand. Then, Vocal Rider compensates for all deviations from the target, intelligently raising or lowering the vocal gain, instantly. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Softube Tube-Tech CL-1B Compressor. Over all, this is a good way to achieve nice voice sound without heavy compression… Maybe I’m wrong, I haven’t used it in a long time. First in the chain, it allowed me to dial up appropriate auto- automation settings, then set to latch and let it write in the automation. Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a … It seems far more practical to automate the vocals before the vocal chain either using the input gain on the first compressor or by using something like Waves Vocal rider early in the signal path. It’s intended purpose is to be a replacement for fader rider (which is post inserts), although, you will surely have bus compression somewhere after that so it will directly affect gain reduction for compressors down the chain. When applying vocal rider on vocals where should I put it? Minor tweaks can easily and quickly be done manually after you write the automation. Here's the basic run down: Keep steady vocal & dialog levels automatically. 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Sometimes, compression can kill the sound of a vocal and automation will keep it feeling more "alive"... it's not always a bad thing if the vocal isn't triggering the compressor at all! I prefer Waves vocal rider to compression on gentle songs almost all the time. … From what I understand, Waves Vocal Rider is a plug-in that automatically lowers or raises your DAW fader according to a set program. so post-comp, more compressor activity and less vocal riding, pre-comp, less compressor activity and more vocal riding. Just make sure the compression is very subtle. You're right of course that if you have a vocal channel, automate the level of the fader, send the output of the channel to an Aux, then the Aux is all after … ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} We can also shape the tone here too. It has really easy to use Vintage Opto and Electro compression modes which give an added warmth to your vocals or instruments. Vocal FX Chain 4 (Extra Vocal Rider, De-Esser, Serial Compression, Post-Compression EQ) Vocal Rider; EQ; De-Esser; Compressor 1 (Slow Attack, Slow Release) Compressor 2 (Medium Attack, Fast Release) Post-Compression EQ As you can see from the sample chains above, the options are endless. If you like what the compressors doing already and just want to automate the volume, do it after. In this free video tutorial Marcus demonstrates his workflow for using Waves Vocal Rider to quickly smooth out vocal levels before hitting the Compressor for smooth consistent sounding vocals. Fair point ! But while automating a channel’s volume/gain is a comparatively artifact-free option, it can be also be a significantly more time consuming process. You can automate anything before, after, in between any part of a signal chain for different results. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} It's akin to engineers who ride the preamp gain while tracking - more consistent levels going in make for less need to process afterwards. Vocal Rider is the first of Waves pioneering new series of Mix tools. For these users, the Vocal Rider … Waves Vocal Rider Plugin Then, Vocal Rider compensates for all deviations from the target, intelligently raising or lowering the vocal volume, instantly. Should I still use compressors or can I substitute the compressors with the vocal rider? I use this on 100% of my vocals. I understand that on consoles, even controllers nowadays, the faders are going to be post inserts but it doesn’t make sense to me for this plug to be doing this job. If the compression has already tamed the peaks you likely wouldn't have to automate. Simply put, Vocal Rider rides the levels of vocal tracks, automatically.Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a true timesaver. Honestly, vocal rider is just doing automatically what you’re talking about potentially doing. I suppose there are no right or wrong ways as long as one does not overdo it, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the audioengineering community. if you ride instrument tracks before processing, then when you finally feed the track to the compressor, you are presenting it with a more uniform level. If the automation is making the vocal more consistent in level, the reverb/delay should follow suit. Waves Vocal Rider Waves makes vocal processing easier than it's ever been with their upcoming Vocal Rider plug-in. Yes it is a bit dangerous for sure but the key is to really learn the vocal line all the way through before you even attempt it. The former usually works better than the latter. It also has the effect of compressing the vocal more when the volume of individual vocal tracks is automated up, for instance in a chorus where there is usually a denser instrumental arrangement and you might need more compression to keep the vocal audible. Press J to jump to the feed. Ive been using the Waves Vocal Rider plugin before my 2-3 mild compressors and ive found it to work well..However, i'm wondering if slight clip gaining + leveling things with the compressors before putting a vocal rider(if at all) will sound better or do the trick too? Forget about manually automating your vocals and just get Vocal Rider from Waves. Its good that you have tried a lot of different tactics for different genres.. There are no rules. Fader Riding Vs Compression Before we get started on the plug-in, it is important for you to understand that there is quite a difference between changing the volume level of a vocal track and applying a compressor. And unlike compression, Vocal Rider adds absolutely no coloring to the vocal track. The first compressor uses ‘tonal compression’ to shape the tone, lightly tame the dynamics and add or remove aggression from the vocal. If you find you like how the vocal sounds but want to retain the dynamics between sections you can automate the fader gain of the vocal to allow it come up on louder sections, or vice versa. All you need to do is set the target range of the vocal level in relation to the rest of the mix. 5. Well, simply put, it's brilliant. As a result it will just sound better and nicer. The vocal bus compressor glues all vocal tracks together, helping the overall vocal level not get out of hand when there are suddenly a lot of doubles, harmonies, etc. it really depends what you're trying to achieve with compression, but if you are a "1-2 db on one compressor > 1- 2 db on another compressor > other DRC after this" kind of person, just think of the fader-riding as a step in your compression chain and plan accordingly based on what you want to accomplish. So that will determine if your volume automation is before or after your compression. Simply put, Vocal Rider rides the levels of vocal tracks, automatically. You can put every word and every breath exactly where you want and accentuate certain words if the vocalist didn't already. ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} Instead of manually riding the physical mixing console fader, or tediously drawing in each individual level change on a DAW track, Vocal Rider does it for you, making it a true timesaver. You could definitely do it more accurately manually with clip gain or automating a gain plugin but at the expense of time. 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